Flight 77 Proved To Hit The Pentagon Options

[Harold]

Okay, a plane really did hit. Missle's don't have black boxes, there's nothing to hear.

"Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says. "

Source: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699

Here are two VERY good pages, both with sources to credit for.

http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-hole.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pe...e_evidence.html

Pictures:


Oh, so they decorated a missle or projectile to look like the AA plane?








Before:



After:


3d representation:




Like I said, it came in at an angle.

If you can still say that isn't true, you seriously are ignorant.

[Shadow]

And the rest of the pieces the wing? they only found one of the terbines. and it would just burn away cause their fire profe. Now this is the size of that lil piece of shit plane. But yet theirs was minumum damage Untill the fire made it worse Hmmmm

[GlitchMasterBiz]

c'mon look at that dinky ass hole. How could flight 77 make such a small hole? the answer is it couldn't!







http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/...es/pentagon.jpg

[bleed]

That looks NOTHING like an american airlines airplane



this is a 757 as indicated on the tail, not the 747 as believe thus this is also an invalid picture.



This picture clearly is proof that an american airlines boeing 747 could not have hit the due to the fact that if it came at an angle and if it did, the hole would've been significantly larger due to the extra puncturing of more space that the angle wouldve provided for the airplane. I don't know what those google earth pictures are trying to prove so I am not going to touch on the subject. As for the wheels I'm not going touch on that. Planes use them for better landing and braking and can be applied to any aircraft.

[Shadow]

owned?

[Jkidd]

Owned.

[Harold]

That looks NOTHING like an american airlines airplane



this is a 757 as indicated on the tail, not the 747 as believe thus this is also an invalid picture.



This picture clearly is proof that an american airlines boeing 747 could not have hit the due to the fact that if it came at an angle and if it did, the hole would've been significantly larger due to the extra puncturing of more space that the angle wouldve provided for the airplane. I don't know what those google earth pictures are trying to prove so I am not going to touch on the subject. As for the wheels I'm not going touch on that. Planes use them for better landing and braking and can be applied to any aircraft.

Looks like you didn't even watch/read about the "Loose Change" video. On their own website it clearly states "Fifth, why is the damage to the Pentagon completely inconsistent with a Boeing 757?"
Source: http://www.loosechange911.com/pentagon.htm

And that is an American Airlines body,




Source: http://web.telia.com/~u90113819/antilles-s.htm

Plenty more of AA 757's for you to look at:
http://images.google.com/images?q=%22Ameri...G=Search+Images

Some pretty good sources that the plane IS a 757 are here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=s...911&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=s...911&btnG=Search
So that rules out your "oh that isn't the right plane" arguement.

And in this picture you can see, right above the ambulance to the left of a larger area where the side was hit that there is a "struck" area.



Also, why would a rocket use wheels? Why would a small aircraft like a Cessna need such HUGE wheels? I know they make some large jets, but that looks like the wheel picture I posted is from a large piece of aircraft, a commercial airliner.

[Requiem]

Ok this is really out there n it might be hard to understand but what if all that stuff was planted there. Its not that hard to plant all that stuff in that building but who knows.

[Harold]

Ok this is really out there n it might be hard to understand but what if all that stuff was planted there. Its not that hard to plant all that stuff in that building but who knows.

The U.S. isn't stupid enough to kill it's own governmental officials, espcially fly a plane into the Pentagon. People aren't using common sense, jeez. And think about this: security would catch them, and they wouldn't let "undercover bomb planters" lay down things like that. Besides they probably have friends and colleagues who work in that area of the building--they won't put other people's life in danger for something as stupid as bombing their own building.

[Requiem]

How many bodies did they pull out of the Pentagon?

Yes, because the goverment couldnt plant shit into their own building.

Example: If you worked at McDonalds and the owner of McDonalds came in and he was walking to the back of the store with a box then you told him he wasnt allowed there n he has to leave, do you think you'd still have a job?

Why wouldnt the goverment kill its own people? Its been happening for thousands of years all over the world. Thats like saying Gangus Khan didn't kill his people because he was the ruler of the country, but he did and you agree with that so why is it so hard to even comprehend that your goverment would do that to its people. Your 100% on the goverments side n you believe every word they say. You are exactly what they want you to be a mindless slave.

Example: If I told you I had cancer and made it sound convincing would you believe me? I would just play the whole thing out. I'd shave my head n show you a picture so it looked like I was going through kemo and all that. You most likely would believe me but really I was perfectly fine. You can only believe in what you are told to believe.

I know you dont wanna believe that your goverment could do such a thing but what if they did?

[Harold]

FIRST OF ALL:
The U.S. isn't a barbaric kind of country. Our Government doesn't kill people--especially for no reason.

Second:
If you have a box, and you say something like that, you'll definitely have security on you--and we're talking about the PENTAGON. You're not going to get away with carrying a mysterious box into the building.

Third:
"
Why wouldnt the goverment kill its own people? Its been happening for thousands of years all over the world. Thats like saying Gangus Khan didn't kill his people because he was the ruler of the country, but he did and you agree with that so why is it so hard to even comprehend that your goverment would do that to its people. Your 100% on the goverments side n you believe every word they say. You are exactly what they want you to be a mindless slave."

Req, think logically. There is NO REASON TO TAKE PEOPLES LIVES AWAY.

Fourth:
"Example: If I told you I had cancer and made it sound convincing would you believe me? I would just play the whole thing out. I'd shave my head n show you a picture so it looked like I was going through kemo and all that. You most likely would believe me but really I was perfectly fine. You can only believe in what you are told to believe."

I can only believe what I am told to believe? I saw, only LIVE T.V. a plane slam into the World Trade Centers, yet people take the time to cook up a big conspiracy. IT'S SO STUPID! And, plus, I've given ENOUGH evidence to show that a plane did DID hit the Pentagon--an AA Boeing 757, FLIGHT 77.

Everyone, I want you to read this:
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html

It gives textual and photographic sources. If you can honestly look at that and tell me you still don't believe that Flight 77 flew into the Pentagon, you're being SUPER IGNORANT. READ, FOLKS.

The page proves the following picture to be digitally altered:


Oh, why would a "rocket" need a landing gear, guys?


This .gif looks pretty clear when they put the overlay on it, too:


And some interesting textual information:
" In 1988, the Sandia National Laboratories conducted a test to determine the ability of reinforced concrete to protect a nuclear reactor from the impact of a jet aircraft. The plane was an F-4 Phantom with two engines, the same type flown by Col. McClain. It was traveling at 480 miles per hour upon impact. The test established that “the major impact force was from the engines.” Video of the test shows that the entire aircraft disintegrated upon impact, leaving no recognizable parts behind. The video and still photos can be viewed at the Sandia web site."

Sandia National laboratories is a real Lab located in New Mexico, my uncle works there.
Here is the page the video is located on the bottom of the page of:
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/video...lery/index.html

No debris, eh?

And here, a huge picture of the Pentagon--on fire.



I hope I swayed your opinion, somewhat.

Stop "conspiracizing" guys.

Edit:

Eye-witness reports:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro...p01/attack.html

"Asework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, was driving on Columbia Pike on his way to work as a consultant for Nextel. He saw a plane flying very low and close to nearby buildings. "I thought something was coming down on me. I know this plane is going to crash. I've never seen a plane like this so low." He said he looked at it and saw American Airline insignia and when it made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames."

[Requiem]

FIRST OF ALL:
The U.S. isn't a barbaric kind of country. Our Government doesn't kill people--especially for no reason.

There is absolutely no proof of this what so ever. That is just what you think.

Second:
If you have a box, and you say something like that, you'll definitely have security on you--and we're talking about the PENTAGON. You're not going to get away with carrying a mysterious box into the building.

Again this is just what you think. We are not talking about just some random person planting this stuff. We are talking about the government planting it. Ok Fow lets say you worked at the Pentagon n tell someone like the Secret Service they are not alllowed to be there. You wouldnt because you'd be fired before you can even finish your sentence and McDonalds probably wouldnt even hire you after that.

Third:
Why wouldnt the goverment kill its own people? Its been happening for thousands of years all over the world. Thats like saying Gangus Khan didn't kill his people because he was the ruler of the country, but he did and you agree with that so why is it so hard to even comprehend that your goverment would do that to its people. Your 100% on the goverments side n you believe every word they say. You are exactly what they want you to be a mindless slave."

Req, think logically. There is NO REASON TO TAKE PEOPLES LIVES AWAY.

Once again this is just what you think. Maybe it was a set up to get people to look away from the Twin Towers for a bit. Again like I said before how many dead bodies did they pull out of the Pentagon? Let alone lets see a picture of them taking out bodies.

Fourth:
"Example: If I told you I had cancer and made it sound convincing would you believe me? I would just play the whole thing out. I'd shave my head n show you a picture so it looked like I was going through kemo and all that. You most likely would believe me but really I was perfectly fine. You can only believe in what you are told to believe."

I can only believe what I am told to believe? I saw, only LIVE T.V. a plane slam into the World Trade Centers, yet people take the time to cook up a big conspiracy. IT'S SO STUPID! And, plus, I've given ENOUGH evidence to show that a plane did DID hit the Pentagon--an AA Boeing 757, FLIGHT 77.

Yes we all saw planes hit the WTC's but that doesnt mean that it couldnt be a conspiracy. Your saying that since you saw planes hit it that it must be terrorist who did it. You have no actual proof that it was terrorist. You were told it was so thats what you believe. Did you actually see these "terrorists"? No you didnt.

Everyone, I want you to read this:
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon-photos.html

It gives textual and photographic sources. If you can honestly look at that and tell me you still don't believe that Flight 77 flew into the Pentagon, you're being SUPER IGNORANT. READ, FOLKS.

Yes because what they say is 100% true. Give me 100% proof that they are telling the truth. You cant. Ok so if wiz wrote on the forums "Fowlance is a fag" is it true?

The page proves the following picture to be digitally altered:


Oh, why would a "rocket" need a landing gear, guys?


This .gif looks pretty clear when they put the overlay on it, too:


And some interesting textual information:
" In 1988, the Sandia National Laboratories conducted a test to determine the ability of reinforced concrete to protect a nuclear reactor from the impact of a jet aircraft. The plane was an F-4 Phantom with two engines, the same type flown by Col. McClain. It was traveling at 480 miles per hour upon impact. The test established that “the major impact force was from the engines.” Video of the test shows that the entire aircraft disintegrated upon impact, leaving no recognizable parts behind. The video and still photos can be viewed at the Sandia web site."

Sandia National laboratories is a real Lab located in New Mexico, my uncle works there.
Here is the page the video is located on the bottom of the page of:
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/video...lery/index.html

No debris, eh?

Ok so your trying to say that landing gear would still be there but 2 plane engines would disinagrate to nothing? Even if this did happen the plane engines would have barreled through that building like nothing its common physics but there is nothing that shows this.

Eye-witness reports:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro...p01/attack.html

"Asework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, was driving on Columbia Pike on his way to work as a consultant for Nextel. He saw a plane flying very low and close to nearby buildings. "I thought something was coming down on me. I know this plane is going to crash. I've never seen a plane like this so low." He said he looked at it and saw American Airline insignia and when it made impact with the Pentagon initially he saw smoke, then flames."

Yes because getting paid off would never ever happen. Thats just impossible. Nobody would ever sell out for money.

GJ Fow.

"Whoever has the gold makes the rules" <--- that quote explains 911.

[bleed]

Fow I am pretty sure that we have confirmed that it wasn't a rocket so you need to stop bringing up the landing gears. I told you why a plane like a cessna could use them. Reasons are that they can land on shorter runways with more efficiency among others. I have not watched loose change because I believe I can come up with my own opinion. It was not a commerical airline jet period. NO questions asked. There were no wing debris, no engine shraphnel, no dead bodies, and no holes other than the original 10 foot diameter one. And finally there is no american airlines plane in the world, that has a red stripe being overcome by a white stripe as indicated in this picture:




EXCEPT for the back tailwing, but this picture shows that is much too small to form the A in the AA on the tail wings thus showing it is also NOT any form of american airline airplane. Also The A's on the back are not rounded such as the picture displays.


As the picture you have submitted shows that a boeing 757 is roughly 155 ft long. If one street lane is approximately 6 feet wide the damage shown on your google earth pictures are only 40 to 60 feet deep into the pentagon. An airplane with the mass of a 757 that is 155 ft long should've been able to plow through all of the walls of the pentagon and ended up with the nose in the courtyard.

I actually know exactly what a boeing 757 looks like fow and I don't need your extra images. I am obtaining my pilots lisences this summer and winter and This time next year I will be able to legally fly a boeing 757. I have flown in one before and I have flown in life size flight simulators before.

Say you have five bricks, sitting on a drive way shaped as the pentagon. The bricks are firmly secured to the base. Another object heavier than the brick, yet smaller than it, comes in flying at any given speed over 30 miles an hour at any point in time in the day, regardless of weather conditions, and rams into a side of the brick pentagon at a 45 degree angle (give or take) what is going to happen? The brick is going to immediately shatter on impact and the object headinng towards the pentagonal bricks will NOT stop at impact. It will continue until after the brick is split and then MAYBE stop in the middle of the figure or will stop once it hits the second side of the pentagonal bricks. In that case friction and inertia have taken place and slowed the object to a stop.

It's common sense. It was not a boeing 757. So please don't show me any more picture of what one looks like or any more silly stats and pictures becasue I know exactly what I am talking about. After you have spent 10 years studying about aviation then maybe we can talk.

[skrattahögtmunk]

Ohhh, big words.

[Shadow]

How the fuck do you know how our government thinks. I don't see you working with them. You think everyone work the same. Some people play with others life. And some don't. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING PROFE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS STRAIGHT FORWARD WHEN WHERE OUTTHEIR IN WAR WITH TERRIOST FOR FUCKING GAS. FROM WHEN THE GERMEN PEOPLE DONT EVEN USE GAS AND SHOWED THIS TO AMERICA. IT A CORN OILED OR SOME SORT WHERE YOU DONT POLUTE OR DO HARM TO THE AVIREMENT. FROM WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT DIDN'T TAKE A WARNING FROM BINLADEN SERIOUS AND LEFTED OUR COUNTRY FOR 5 ATTACKS OR MORE. NOW FUCKING MRS.CLINTON IS TRYING TO LET PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS CRIMES VOTE. AND TRYING TO MAKE PUERTO RICO THE 51ST STATE. FOR VOTES FOR HER HONKY ASS.YOU TELL ME NOW THAT THIS COUNTRY THINKS LIKE YOU THINK THEY THINK. You prolly live in a nice lil neighbor hood and think since people are nice and calm down their that its everywhere and that makes u think the government is straight forward.

[Requiem]

Shadow see's this the same way I do. The government isnt all puppy dogs n fields of flowers if you know what I mean.

[GlitchMasterBiz]

i agree but fow. why do you think the government whouldn't do that? put it together. maybe all those attacks were for more money. maybe all those attacks were just for oil. or maybe just maybe, bush wanted to actally do something while he was president or just to get alot of coverage on himself.





Also fow, why are you saying it was a rocket? i never said it was a rocket. who said it was?






(fow im not trying to be a dick)

[Camo]

Nice try fow, but no its still the governments fault and this post is basically just useless because you can barly see the plane. And 747's are much bigger than that. Also there was like 2 parts of the plane found ,parts that where not from a 747.....................